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		<title>By: Jessie Lou</title>
		<link>http://travellinbaen.com/2008/11/05/obama-wins-tbs-ten-cent-analysis/#comment-1234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessie Lou]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no way to authenticate what we see/read on the internet and you have to keep that in mind when you find things there.  That is what sucks - you cannot trust everything you hear or read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no way to authenticate what we see/read on the internet and you have to keep that in mind when you find things there.  That is what sucks &#8211; you cannot trust everything you hear or read.</p>
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		<title>By: travellinbaen</title>
		<link>http://travellinbaen.com/2008/11/05/obama-wins-tbs-ten-cent-analysis/#comment-1233</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah the internet sucks. Except for this site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah the internet sucks. Except for this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Madd Dawg</title>
		<link>http://travellinbaen.com/2008/11/05/obama-wins-tbs-ten-cent-analysis/#comment-1232</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Madd Dawg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roger that TB.  
I guess much of the info that we receive via the internet, newsmedia, etc., reflects the particular author&#039;s bias and is slanted to fit the author&#039;s worldview.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger that TB.<br />
I guess much of the info that we receive via the internet, newsmedia, etc., reflects the particular author&#8217;s bias and is slanted to fit the author&#8217;s worldview.</p>
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		<title>By: travellinbaen</title>
		<link>http://travellinbaen.com/2008/11/05/obama-wins-tbs-ten-cent-analysis/#comment-1231</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[travellinbaen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MD, this is the kind of misinformation that I believe was instrumental in turning people against Republicans. I&#039;m not saying you are engaging in it, just doing the natural thing and spreading the information that sounds important. It did, in fact, scare the hell out of me, so I tried to find her actual testimony. I read her position paper. It does not include any language about confiscating accounts. It mentions giving older workers the option to trade it in for a guaranteed 3% rate of return. It also calls for a new tax policy that would be to the benefit of lower income workers and higher government involvement in retirement savings. I would not favor her plan, but parts of it would make sense for incorporating into a broader plan that is not punitive on higher earners. I wasn&#039;t able to find a transcript of her testimony, so I can only discuss her position paper. I also found that she was one of 5 to testify at a hearing on how to improve retirement savings on Oct 7. An additional 6 testified Nov. 7. They each had different proposals and they included academics like Ghilarducci, representatives of conservative and liberal think tanks (i.e. Heritage), CEO&#039;s and others. Each of their proposals is brief and linked at the site of the House members who sit on the committee that was hearing them. I read a couple of other papers and they similarly had ideas I both liked and disliked. I can&#039;t find where the Dems are discussing adoption of any of these plans right now.

When I googled this, I found page after page of conservative bloggers warning of this &quot;confiscation.&quot; I didn&#039;t see any liberal blogs reporting on this nor any traditional media. I finally found a reference to the hearing on a couple of Congressmen&#039;s sites and that&#039;s where I got the above information. Neither representative&#039;s site I looked at endorsed any of the 10 or so plans they&#039;ve heard about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MD, this is the kind of misinformation that I believe was instrumental in turning people against Republicans. I&#8217;m not saying you are engaging in it, just doing the natural thing and spreading the information that sounds important. It did, in fact, scare the hell out of me, so I tried to find her actual testimony. I read her position paper. It does not include any language about confiscating accounts. It mentions giving older workers the option to trade it in for a guaranteed 3% rate of return. It also calls for a new tax policy that would be to the benefit of lower income workers and higher government involvement in retirement savings. I would not favor her plan, but parts of it would make sense for incorporating into a broader plan that is not punitive on higher earners. I wasn&#8217;t able to find a transcript of her testimony, so I can only discuss her position paper. I also found that she was one of 5 to testify at a hearing on how to improve retirement savings on Oct 7. An additional 6 testified Nov. 7. They each had different proposals and they included academics like Ghilarducci, representatives of conservative and liberal think tanks (i.e. Heritage), CEO&#8217;s and others. Each of their proposals is brief and linked at the site of the House members who sit on the committee that was hearing them. I read a couple of other papers and they similarly had ideas I both liked and disliked. I can&#8217;t find where the Dems are discussing adoption of any of these plans right now.</p>
<p>When I googled this, I found page after page of conservative bloggers warning of this &#8220;confiscation.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t see any liberal blogs reporting on this nor any traditional media. I finally found a reference to the hearing on a couple of Congressmen&#8217;s sites and that&#8217;s where I got the above information. Neither representative&#8217;s site I looked at endorsed any of the 10 or so plans they&#8217;ve heard about.</p>
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		<title>By: Madd Dawg</title>
		<link>http://travellinbaen.com/2008/11/05/obama-wins-tbs-ten-cent-analysis/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Madd Dawg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this part of the great &quot;change&quot; that Obama will bring us?  
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Democratic leaders in the U.S. House discuss confiscating 401(k)s, IRAs 

By Karen McMahan 

November 04, 2008 

RALEIGH — Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration. 

Triggered by the financial crisis the past two months, the hearings reportedly were meant to stem losses incurred by many workers and retirees whose 401(k) and IRA balances have been shrinking rapidly. 

The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration. 
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That&#039;s just great. I guess if are going to sh--it, I mean socialist, this is just one step along the way.  If we are turning into France, at least Brad will finally be able to use his vast collection of manpurses (i.e. European Carry-alls) in public.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this part of the great &#8220;change&#8221; that Obama will bring us?<br />
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Democratic leaders in the U.S. House discuss confiscating 401(k)s, IRAs </p>
<p>By Karen McMahan </p>
<p>November 04, 2008 </p>
<p>RALEIGH — Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration. </p>
<p>Triggered by the financial crisis the past two months, the hearings reportedly were meant to stem losses incurred by many workers and retirees whose 401(k) and IRA balances have been shrinking rapidly. </p>
<p>The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration.<br />
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<p>That&#8217;s just great. I guess if are going to sh&#8211;it, I mean socialist, this is just one step along the way.  If we are turning into France, at least Brad will finally be able to use his vast collection of manpurses (i.e. European Carry-alls) in public.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://travellinbaen.com/2008/11/05/obama-wins-tbs-ten-cent-analysis/#comment-1228</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congress
Senate
and the Presidency 

all controlled by the Deomcrats

At the Federal level at this time we are a left leaning country.  On the big ticket issues voters went to the left.  The last I checked 52% or 53% is more than half.  The majority of props went to the right.  I think that is because these issues are voted on at the state level.  The percentage of voters is less.  If these issues are voted on at the national level, I think they pass at about the same percentage as the popular vote for president.  And I would not be surprised to see this left leaning government tackle some of these same props.

Right or wrong the reality in the public&#039;s eye is that Bush is to blame for what is wrong with the country.  It did not take a genius to see that the public felt that way.  The Reps seemed to not acknowledge this fact.  The Reps ran a scattered campaign.  They did not connect with the voters. The Reps did not have a plan to respond to the issues that counted with voters.  Some of the maneuvers by the Reps seemed gimmicky or insincere.  The Reps have their base, but you can not win on your base voters alone.  The Reps better hope that the Dems can not keep the current momentum and use this election to transform their base.  If that happens we might see a filibuster proof Congress and Senate during the mid-term elections.  The Dems are better organized.  The Dems have focused on the big electoral states like Ohio and Fla and have taken those states from the Reps.  I bet you see a lot of Reps crossing the line to vote with Obama - trying to keep their jobs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress<br />
Senate<br />
and the Presidency </p>
<p>all controlled by the Deomcrats</p>
<p>At the Federal level at this time we are a left leaning country.  On the big ticket issues voters went to the left.  The last I checked 52% or 53% is more than half.  The majority of props went to the right.  I think that is because these issues are voted on at the state level.  The percentage of voters is less.  If these issues are voted on at the national level, I think they pass at about the same percentage as the popular vote for president.  And I would not be surprised to see this left leaning government tackle some of these same props.</p>
<p>Right or wrong the reality in the public&#8217;s eye is that Bush is to blame for what is wrong with the country.  It did not take a genius to see that the public felt that way.  The Reps seemed to not acknowledge this fact.  The Reps ran a scattered campaign.  They did not connect with the voters. The Reps did not have a plan to respond to the issues that counted with voters.  Some of the maneuvers by the Reps seemed gimmicky or insincere.  The Reps have their base, but you can not win on your base voters alone.  The Reps better hope that the Dems can not keep the current momentum and use this election to transform their base.  If that happens we might see a filibuster proof Congress and Senate during the mid-term elections.  The Dems are better organized.  The Dems have focused on the big electoral states like Ohio and Fla and have taken those states from the Reps.  I bet you see a lot of Reps crossing the line to vote with Obama &#8211; trying to keep their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: BR</title>
		<link>http://travellinbaen.com/2008/11/05/obama-wins-tbs-ten-cent-analysis/#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is gonna take someone young like Jindal
to get the rep. going again, I&#039;ve heard him a 
few times on WWL.  
I don&#039;t think the country is center left in my
opinion it is center right because of all the 
props that did not pass especially when the 
gay Marriage did not pass in Cal. (sorry sweet
and smiley)  I&#039;m just glad its over and glad
i got to go to bed early on election night.

TB and MD in 2012!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is gonna take someone young like Jindal<br />
to get the rep. going again, I&#8217;ve heard him a<br />
few times on WWL.<br />
I don&#8217;t think the country is center left in my<br />
opinion it is center right because of all the<br />
props that did not pass especially when the<br />
gay Marriage did not pass in Cal. (sorry sweet<br />
and smiley)  I&#8217;m just glad its over and glad<br />
i got to go to bed early on election night.</p>
<p>TB and MD in 2012!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jessie Lou</title>
		<link>http://travellinbaen.com/2008/11/05/obama-wins-tbs-ten-cent-analysis/#comment-1192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessie Lou]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since some of you are talking about ethnic backgrounds don&#039;t forget about Bobby Jindal, governor of Louisiana.  They (the media) refer to him often as the rising star of the republican party.  Those may not be the exact words but it is always very positive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since some of you are talking about ethnic backgrounds don&#8217;t forget about Bobby Jindal, governor of Louisiana.  They (the media) refer to him often as the rising star of the republican party.  Those may not be the exact words but it is always very positive.</p>
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		<title>By: RockStarRambler</title>
		<link>http://travellinbaen.com/2008/11/05/obama-wins-tbs-ten-cent-analysis/#comment-1191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RockStarRambler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Réplica excelente, RMac!  Muy divertido!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Réplica excelente, RMac!  Muy divertido!</p>
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		<title>By: RMac</title>
		<link>http://travellinbaen.com/2008/11/05/obama-wins-tbs-ten-cent-analysis/#comment-1187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RMac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never said landslide I just said significant and no you can&#039;t compare this to Regan.   

Yes it is an urban vs. non-urban split but urban is where a large portion of our country lives.  NYC alone houses half the population of that State.  Maps skew the perception because the visual is about the land area not population.

Sweet I&#039;m glad you got a chuckle out of my lesbian comment maybe it will be Cheney&#039;s daughter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said landslide I just said significant and no you can&#8217;t compare this to Regan.   </p>
<p>Yes it is an urban vs. non-urban split but urban is where a large portion of our country lives.  NYC alone houses half the population of that State.  Maps skew the perception because the visual is about the land area not population.</p>
<p>Sweet I&#8217;m glad you got a chuckle out of my lesbian comment maybe it will be Cheney&#8217;s daughter.</p>
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